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Unicorn Lynx (181788) on 7/7/2010 6:44 PM · Permalink · Report

Who is in favor of removing Adult tag from The Witcher?

Am I the only one who is annoyed to see it together with Japanese hentai RPGs?

Yes, yes, I know we've had this already, but I really suggest we vote, and then Sciere passes judgment.

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chirinea (47504) on 7/7/2010 7:27 PM · Permalink · Report

You know the drill, get the dryad-nudity screenshots removed and we're done.

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MZ per X (3017) on 7/8/2010 6:50 AM · Permalink · Report

[Q --start chirinea wrote--]You know the drill, get the dryad-nudity screenshots removed and we're done. [/Q --end chirinea wrote--] I can't fight the impression that the Adult tag on Mobygames isn't so much about a game's content, but about how the screen shots appear to US citizens?

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chirinea (47504) on 7/8/2010 7:02 AM · edited · Permalink · Report

Well, it sure serves that purpose too. The last time we discussed it the easiest solution pointed was that. The admins don't want nudity shots in our front page (and they have their reasons, some advertisers wouldn't like nudity there) and to keep those dryads off of our home page, the adult tag is needed. So it is quite simple after all, we just need to reject the screenshots, remove the tag and then move on to the next whining topic.

Quoting Rob on the subject: as long as that screenshot is in the galley of shots it's going to stay adult... end of story.

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Unicorn Lynx (181788) on 7/8/2010 7:16 AM · Permalink · Report

The admins don't want nudity shots in our front page

Okay, so if somebody submits a nudity shot to Fahrenheit or a Larry game, we'll have to submit corrections turning those games into adult? Otherwise they are not adult?..

Ridiculous, very much?..

OK, if it's such a big deal - remove the poor dryad and remove the adult tag from the poor Witcher! Anyone votes for that?

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Grandy02 (673) on 7/8/2010 1:07 PM · edited · Permalink · Report

If that tag is needed so badly for MobyGames, it should be renamed "Nudity" or something, because the current name doesn't make sense when it is added to any game just because there are some nipples and stuff. As a child I'd rather get traumatised by seeing a severed bloody head or other heavy violence than a naked pixel woman.

Wow, and here in Germany, boobs and swearing can appear on TV at any time, and in deep night, its hard to not to come across at least one pair of boobs while surfing the channels. XD

In case of The Witcher, never played the game, but for any game, I'm AGAINST CENSORSHIP at MobyGames.

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vedder (70661) on 7/8/2010 1:11 PM · edited · Permalink · Report

If you put on the TV after 11 o'clock here there's nothing but porn commercials on all the commercial channels. It's rather ridiculous. One of the many reasons I don't have a TV.

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Pseudo_Intellectual (66248) on 7/9/2010 7:15 PM · Permalink · Report

Of course, it's not just about potential screenshots, since adult text-based games like Softporn Adventure also get the tag (not just to keep the filthy filthy descriptions out of the thumbnails 8)

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Pseudo_Intellectual (66248) on 7/9/2010 7:17 PM · Permalink · Report

Also I'd like to note that games dealing explicitly with the reproductive act (I can think of a couple where the player controls a sperm navigating fallopian tubes) also get stamped as adult... because at some point in the game's backstory, an ejaculation of semen occurred.

Taken to an extreme, this makes Conway's game of Life unbelievably filthy.

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Grandy02 (673) on 7/15/2010 12:42 PM · edited · Permalink · Report

[Q --start Pseudo_Intellectual wrote--]Of course, it's not just about potential screenshots [...][/Q --end Pseudo_Intellectual wrote--] That the Adult tag for The Witcher depends on a screenshot implies that it can work exactly this way, though. Edit the description of the Adult tag so that it becomes broader and also includes nudity and stuff. What are "explicit sexual situations"? Nudity alone definitely isn't. Sorry, but in its current form and especially because of cases like The Witcher (I trust Unicorn's statement here), the tag is simply implausible and makes me think of arbitrarily censorship.

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Pseudo_Intellectual (66248) on 7/16/2010 6:30 AM · Permalink · Report

I haven't played the game, but isn't bagging the chicks actually part of the game, thus making this issue not just about its misrepresentation in screenshots? (Then again, it is also in Fable and many Bioware RPGs, however tastefully they fade to black before anything needs to be censored... is there a line this crosses that those don't?)

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Unicorn Lynx (181788) on 7/16/2010 9:34 AM · Permalink · Report

is there a line this crosses that those don't?

Absolutely not! Hell, Ultima VII: Serpent Isle has more explicit sex scenes than the poor Witcher!

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formercontrib (157536) on 7/7/2010 7:29 PM · Permalink · Report

It has Stong sexual content, if we do believe the ESRB. And i expect this content is harder than half of those hentain-porn-bullshit.

Haven't seen a discussion, that the Moby-internal adult tag is japanese-hentai-exclusive.

So i see no really reason, why this tag should be limited to "your" entries only.

Think that means actually:

1:1.

Remains the question what makes strong sexual content ADULT, and excessive violence NON-ADULT.

If this would be a german site, you can be sure, all those hentai-porn receives no Adult-Tag, a lot of stupid blood and gore would receive it.

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Lain Crowley (6630) on 7/8/2010 3:24 AM · Permalink · Report

[Q --start joyvalley wrote--]And i expect this content is harder than half of those hentain-porn-bullshit.[/Q --end joyvalley wrote--]

It's not, but I'm for leaving the adult tag as-is. A significant aspect of the game is bedding any females you chance across, and while the actual act is silhouetted and masked with filters, the bromide you get afterwards is still very lewd. It's not quite soft-core, but it's still adult.

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Unicorn Lynx (181788) on 7/8/2010 4:25 AM · edited · Permalink · Report

Well, in this case, why is Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit not adult? Nudity and more explicit sex scenes than in Witcher!

Why are Leisure Suit Larry games not adult? Talk about lewd! Those games are full of naked breast and sex scenes which are much less masked than those of Witcher.

Rex Nebular?

Dreamweb?

Gabriel Knight III?

Mass Efffect?

Dragon Age?

And so on.

Come on, following your classification, those games deserve the Adult tag as much - if not more - than Witcher.

So either we mark them as adult, or we remove adult from Witcher.

Adult doesn't equal hentai, that's true. Games like Lula 3D are not hentai, but they are definitely adult. Why? Because they have explicit sex. Not just nudity, not just masked sex scenes: explicit stuff. The games above - including Witcher! - don't have explicit sex.

There is a huge difference between eroticism and pornography. We can't dump any game with erotic images together with porn.

As for the dryad shot, that's too ridiculous. The dryad doesn't do anything on this shot! She is simply naked! Nudity equals adult? Since when?! So Greeks made adult sculptures? And Europeans painters painted adult pictures? They are full of nude bodies!

Nudity in context of a sexual situation - that's adult. If the dryad were explicitly masturbating on that shot - then I'll be the first to put the "adult" tag on it. But she is not.

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Rola (8486) on 7/8/2010 3:32 PM · Permalink · Report

[Q --start Unicorn Lynx wrote--]If the dryad were explicitly masturbating on that shot... [/Q --end Unicorn Lynx wrote--] From now on, some unlucky fellows will be finding mobygames website after typing "dryad masturbating" in Uncle Google search box... ;-)

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Unicorn Lynx (181788) on 7/8/2010 4:29 AM · Permalink · Report

I just checked something, and I realized I shouldn't even bother.

here.

This is MobyGames' definition of an adult game:

Adult: Denotes any game with explicit sexual situations. Part of the Non-Sports Themes category.

I guess this should close the case. "Explicit sexual situations". The Witcher doesn't have them.

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Unicorn Lynx (181788) on 7/8/2010 4:42 AM · Permalink · Report

Remains the question what makes strong sexual content ADULT, and excessive violence NON-ADULT

Well, it looks like in the USA contemplating a naked woman's body is considered a far more seriously disturbance to the soul than cutting people with a chainsaw.

Which reminds me. GTA series! Witcher is adult, while GTA is not? Ridiculous, much?

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Golradir on 7/20/2010 3:03 PM · Permalink · Report

I play Witcher and IMO dont see why it would be adult, other that the big breasted women and sex. Hell that is why i play it LMAO

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Indra was here (20760) on 7/24/2010 1:29 PM · Permalink · Report

Well, I'll always be on the other side of the fence with Oleg on this one, but only due to my conservative indoctrination. Boobies=porn.

Although the more perversive side of me does share the annoyance that it shares the same tribune with hentai. Really need something to separate the hardcore stuff from the soft porn...though that in itself would be a feat as large as the genre overhaul.

But obviously much more exciting. :)

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Grandy02 (673) on 7/24/2010 1:44 PM · edited · Permalink · Report

[Q --start Dewa Indra? wrote--]Boobies=porn.[/Q --end Dewa Indra? wrote--] Wow, I didn't know until now they gave us hardcore porn in school! Those dirty books with "Biology" written on it, the people on the photos even openly showed their genitals! :O Thanks for telling me! ;-)

Anyway, what would separate tags be called? "Adult (Soft)" and "Adult (Hard)"? Or a new tag called "Nudity" that only covers games like The Witcher that don't really fall under Adult, but do still include nudity? But then it shouldn't be just added because of a screenshot, but for any game where it applies.

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Indra was here (20760) on 7/24/2010 2:06 PM · Permalink · Report

See? Even the alternative questions are exciting! Didn't even have boobies in my biology classes, just to show you how conservative some countries can get...but operate surgery on hamsters with a pencil...apparently was fine.

Actually it simply should be separated between "explicit sexual scenes" and "nudity". Should separate the "pervert" and the "artist" crowd.

cough

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Unicorn Lynx (181788) on 7/24/2010 3:36 PM · Permalink · Report

Anyway, what would separate tags be called? "Adult (Soft)" and "Adult (Hard)"?

< sarcasm > Something like this, yeah. And we also need tags like "S&M", "Bondage", "Lesbian", "Group Sex", etc. Let's turn MobyGames into a real porn site! < /sarcasm >

But then it shouldn't be just added because of a screenshot, but for any game where it applies.

That's what I was trying to say, games like Fahrenheit have more explicit sex than Witcher, yet we don't have a screenshot with nudity on file from this game - therefore, it's not Adult...

How very ridiculous...

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Patrick Bregger (298416) on 7/24/2010 2:56 PM · Permalink · Report

[Q --start Dewa Indra? wrote--]Boobies=porn. [/Q --end Dewa Indra? wrote--] I always wanted to do this too! Now finally the opportunity has come!

Ghastly