Although I already submitted the new group for approval, I thought I'd ask what you MobyGamers think about it.

Since there are an increasing amount of games (mostly by Nintendo, but other developers have started doing this as well) which have unlockable full length games within them like several next-gen remakes usually have the original NES game either as a hidden extra or as an unlockable feature after you beat the game, I think it would be wise to have these kinds of games have their own group.

Let me know what you think, is there demand for this kind of group?

No, because it's part of the main game.

Not in all cases, I know that for example in Animal Crossing you're meant to collect NES games and other stuff like that. But games like Dracula X Chronicles the classic Rondo of Blood is an unlockable extra, not a part of the main game (which would be the 3d remake of Rondo of Blood).

Another example is Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness for the N64, it's not even documented anywhere in the manual that you can unlock the original Castlevania 64 game if you finish the game with an unlockable hidden character. It's definately not a part of the main game since it's not required or even documented in it.

If you finish Metroid Prime, you unlock the full NES game Metroid. So I bet there are enough games like this to somewhat warrant a group. Although, wouldn't that group be entirely made up of spoilers in a sense? ;)

Contra 4 also has Contra and Super C unlockable. Impossible Mission 2025 Special Edition includes the original Impossible Mission, although I believe it doesn't exactly qualify as unlockable.

Valid point, I hadn't thought about that. But still, I kinda feel like these types of games should be somehow documented.

Why ? They've allready been documented on other platforms. Unless they're different in gameplay there's no need to re-add them.

Daniel, you're not getting the point here. The group is to highlight those games which have other games included, NOT the games included in them. For instance, if you Finish Metroid Prime you get to play the NES version of Metroid. That makes Metroid Prime different, from, let's say, Tomb Rider, which doesn't let you play any game if you beat it. So Metroid Prime goes into the group, Tomb Rider doesn't. And Metroid doesn't go either, get it?

Ok, I get why it would make sense for a game group, but here's why it doesn't. Say like DK64, it has Jet Pack and the original DK. Those are the full games, but wouldn't you expect the old versions of those games to be unlockeables anyway ? It goes with almost any remake of a old game, as most games that have old games as unlockeables are remakes. (With a noteable exception for Animal Crossing.) And besides, the fact that the old games are unlockeable in the new game is in the trivia anyway.

... No? I had no idea they had the games. Probably because I loathe the N64 but that off topic.
No, unlockable stuff would go in game tips, not trivia. ;) Still - I support the creation of the group. So far the majority seems to agree on this.

Yeah, not only does DK64 have the original Donkey Kong, but it's the full arcade version with all four levels - not those crippled NES missing-a-level versions that Nintendo keeps re-releasing. To my knowledge, it's the only legitimate way for anyone to play all four levels of Donkey Kong without visiting an arcade machine.

And DK64 was the way that I discovered Jetpac - I had no idea that the game existed before then. Great fun.

Er, no? I don't get what you're saying.


Do you understand the purpose of a game group? I'm taking a look at DK64 rapsheet. I go to the trivia section and read that the original DK is present in that game (though it doesn't say if it is unlockable, it just says the game is in some stage). Well, I think to myself: "nice, this game has an old game in it! I wonder, would there be more games like this"? And that's where the group comes in.

For instance, Oliver submitted a galore of trivia items mentioning the games which were banned in Germany. After a while, people thought it would be interesting to see all those games banned in Germany and a group was then made. Did people stop contributing the trivia items? No, because they are complementary.

No, because the group only says what games have unlockable games in them. It doesn't say WHAT games are included.

I'm a bit concerned about the issue of verifiability.

GameFAQs.com :P

What about games which have full games within, but which aren't locked, like Day of the Tentacle? Or games which have full games within, but only accessible via cheat codes, like Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure?

How about changing the group to "Games with hidden games inside"? This would allow games with unlockable, hidden, and cheat-only extra games to be included in the group.

Sounds good, I would just add "with hidden full games" and state in the description that the hidden game should be a complete game, released before in a separate way. Just to rule out those cases of "game within a game" with no relation to previously released games.

Some of these bonus games aren't unlockable, though. Some are available from the start. Should I add that to the description?

I'd say yes.

Should I resubmit the group with these changes or can someone of you approvers do it?

Yes, and make sure it does not refer to unrelated mini-games. Penumbra: Black Plague has a hidden shoot-em-up inside, but if we include that any title with a mini-game needs to be added. I would restrict it to previously released games only.

Would a game like Sonic Mega Collection Plus be included in this group? It is a compilation of older released game but some of the games are unlocked only when certain requirements are met.

I don't see why not, especially if the inclusion of those games isn't mentioned anywhere on the game box.

I'm not sure. You kinda expect those games to have unlockable content, since they're game compilations.

What if the unlockable games differ from the list on the back of the keep case? Usually even the unlockable games within these kinds of compilations are listed in the case.

You mean like that butchered Taito Memories that promised me the Bub and Bob-powered Bust A Move and instead gave me the neutered version? ;_;

What I'd really like in game groups is a notes section (kind of like screenshots or maybe even screenshots) that coincide with a game listed to prove how it belongs or to highlight the specific content or point out an instance.

The group can be found here: Games with hidden/unlockable full games

Anyone who knows games which have unlockable/hidden full games, please go ahead and make use of the group.