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Trypticon (11013) on 3/26/2013 11:53 PM · edited · Permalink · Report

So I was considering to add some additional US release info for this and another game where the same situation applies, naturally with Firebird (US) as publisher, because that's what the gaming press as far as I found said, that's what the front of the box implies to me, that's what's on the media, the game itself...but then, oh, there had to be the sticker on the back of the the US scans saying it's published by Telecomsoft. Which happened to be the owner of Firebird. There is a correction filed saying the DOS Publisher info should be replaced because of this.

So, ignore the label totally? Enter both? Only Firebird?

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Rwolf (21743) on 3/27/2013 1:47 AM · Permalink · Report

What I understand from Wikipedia and The Bird Sanctuary webpages, the publishing company was Telecomsoft, and it used the various '---Bird' label s& packaging for different price ranges.

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Trypticon (11013) on 3/27/2013 12:55 PM · edited · Permalink · Report

The only reason Telecomsoft comes even up as a consideration, is because they made the specific note on the box. Otherwise it would be a no-brainer to use the label - Telecomsoft doesn't even have a company entry here.

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Indra was here (20633) on 3/27/2013 1:00 PM · edited · Permalink · Report

Put it this way. If someone paid for a sticker on every box of the game, that's usually a big deal. So it's either Telecomsoft+Firebird or Telecomsoft to be named. Cheap sticker wins.

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Terok Nor (36734) on 3/27/2013 8:35 AM · Permalink · Report

I think in this case we usually only use the label, not the company behind it.

But yes does our company system suck...

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Trypticon (11013) on 3/27/2013 1:10 PM · Permalink · Report

I think it's really a case of semantics. The label has either meaning or it doesn't, and the consensus was clear, at least regarding the "birds" what it is. The case for doing completely away with the label seems weak based on this. It would be different if the "published by" message was by a completely different company, like say, by Softgold.

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djindio (1608) on 4/2/2013 11:08 AM · edited · Permalink · Report

It appears to me that they simply reused stickered UK boxes for the US releases. Note in the following example that the box is actually of a cassette release for the Amstrad CPC, but has been stickered with DOS info on the front and stickered twice to replace the barcode and distribution info:,1694/
(see the cassette logo under the barcode sticker),1693/
(note what appears to be Amstrad CPC text under the PC/Tandy sticker)

So I would say that sticker trumps the any of the existing contradictory info printed on the box in the case of that U.S. DOS release...

...BUT, this Commodore release appears to hint that they had established some sort of "Firebird Software" entity in the U.S. at the time of it's release:,73751/
(see the fine print on the barcode sticker)

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Rwolf (21743) on 4/2/2013 2:20 PM · Permalink · Report

The birdsanctuary has some pages on the US history of the Firebirds labels.

btw. I saw another version of the Elite box at the uk computinghistory website, tagged for a version of the BBC micro, the Acorn Electron, not listed in elites existing platforms; I'm not sure if the A.E. is a separate platform at moby in itself, there seems to be an 'Atom' and a 'Acorn 32bit', but I'm not familiar with any of the Beeb:s.

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vedder (68275) on 4/2/2013 2:30 PM · Permalink · Report

We have Elite for the Electron on file

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Rwolf (21743) on 4/2/2013 3:07 PM · Permalink · Report

Ah...two separate Elite series in the group, I didn't notice that.

May I ask why the one has the BBC Micro + Electron on it's own, and the other has the BBC Micro plus all other platforms?

Duplication by mistake or intent?

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vedder (68275) on 4/2/2013 4:08 PM · Permalink · Report

Intent. There were two different releases for the BBC Micro. One (on tape rather than floppy disk) with less features than the other. The Electron version resembles the inferior version, so those are combined into a single entry.