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New MobyGoal: 2800 Arcade Games!

Foxhack (28052) on Aug 20, 2019


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We finally cleared the previous MobyGoal - adding all those iOS games took a lot longer than we expected - so it's time to move on to another platform that's been sadly neglected here: Arcades!

We currently have 2472 arcade games catalogued on the site; we need your help get to 2800! We're missing a lot of early arcade games, and there's quite a few gaps in the 80s and 90s we need to fill in. And don't forget, a lot of the games we have on other platforms were originally Arcade games, so if you know of any classic game that's missing that platform, feel free to add it too!

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piltdown_man (167589) on Aug 22, 2019


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I'm unclear what can be classed as an arcade game and what cannot. Is it just games that were lifted from a physical ROM in an old machine or does it extend to other kinds of game?

For example I have some slot machine compilations, 'official' CDs & DVDs of games produced by IGT and Phantom EFX, that are played in casinos (that's why I got them - it's way cheaper). So while they were not necessarily played in an old-style arcade they were played in a public place with real money. Would these count as Arcade games?

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vedder (46467) on Aug 22, 2019


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Yes those would qualify for the Arcade platform! The rule of thumb for the Arcade platform is, that it's a (video/computer) game played in a public space and requires money to be inserted into the device to play.

Addendum: Unless they pay out money. We do not document gambling machines.

(Edited by vedder (46467), Aug 23, 2019)

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Foxhack (28052) on Aug 23, 2019


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vedder Wrote:
Yes those would qualify for the Arcade platform! The rule of thumb for the Arcade platform is, that it's a (video/computer) game played in a public space and requires money to be inserted into the device to play.

The thing is, he's talking about gambling games used in actual casinos, which were repackaged for play on home computers. While we do have some gambling games in the Arcade platform, we don't have any games that let you bet and win or lose real world money on the database.

The actual compilation of gambling games SHOULD be fine to add as a Windows set. At least one set of those Casino games is available here. But I'm not completely certain we can add the original gambling games here.

It certainly deserves discussion...

(Edited by Foxhack (28052), Aug 23, 2019)

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Pseudo_Intellectual (61532) on Aug 23, 2019


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It certainly deserves discussion...

We should have gambling (and pinball) games, it would allow us to tell the rest of the story for WMS/Midway/Bally.

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Foxhack (28052) on Aug 23, 2019


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Pseudo_Intellectual Wrote:
It certainly deserves discussion...

We should have gambling (and pinball) games, it would allow us to tell the rest of the story for WMS/Midway/Bally.

Why not add fruit machines while we're at it!

This is sarcasm, by the way.

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Pseudo_Intellectual (61532) on Aug 24, 2019


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But ... why not.

There are only two letters difference between gambling and gaming.

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MAT (200529) on Aug 23, 2019


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Wait, game on a CD or DVD-ROM are not played on arcade machines of any kind but on a computer, right? Just because someone charges you for playing them doesn't make them arcades. If the arcade machine would accept CD-ROM as a media, then that would be a game for an arcade platform.

If these are simply played on Windows, for example, then that's Windows platform, nor Arcade.

I find it a bit of a strange rule that Arcade platform means money-required-to-play-the-game. I thought it's more defined by the types of devices the game is played on. Honestly, I don't see why we don't treat those big arcade machines that are sold to be played at home without money as arcades rather than dedicated something. What if someone would charge them for playing in a public place like a cafe or game arcades but you wouldn't need a coin to insert, just pay the manager or bartender a dollar or something, would that suddenly be treated as an arcade?

I wish we have some page for each of our platforms with description of a platform as how we perceive it and what sort of games are treated as games for that platform. That we have dos and don'ts written and all that necessary info for someone to understand what it okay to add under that. And how we even separate platforms since some platforms are no more than hardware upgrades of existing platforms :P

Ah... at times like this, I miss the good ol' days when this site featured only PC platforms (OSs) and everything was pretty straightforward, lol.

(Edited by MAT (200529), Aug 23, 2019)

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Foxhack (28052) on Aug 23, 2019


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MAT Wrote:
Wait, game on a CD or DVD-ROM are not played on arcade machines of any kind but on a computer, right? Just because someone charges you for playing them doesn't make them arcades. If the arcade machine would accept CD-ROM as a media, then that would be a game for an arcade platform.

No, these casino games run off Windows (or a similar OS), and they only run the games. These compilation discs include adapted / recompiled versions of those gamblers for use on normal PCs.

He's basically asking if he can use the Windows versions as reference to add the original arcade versions. Which in my opinion is fine, as long as any new additions to the port are not listed.

(Edited by Foxhack (28052), Aug 23, 2019)

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Cavalary (10650) on Aug 23, 2019


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Wait, that's the rule, being charged money for it? Well then, a heck of a lot of games can be "arcade", enough to find it offered at some gaming club/cafe/stall/whatever. That makes no sense. Platform should have to do with the hardware (yeah, that also means that Windows/Linux/DOS should just be tech specs for PC). And yep, definitely would like just a PC focus... Or at least a return of the subdomains so I could again just stay on pc.mobygames.com and not get flooded with other platform stuff when I don't care to see it.

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vedder (46467) on Aug 23, 2019


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Cavalary Wrote:
Wait, that's the rule, being charged money for it?



No, if the machine you play it on requires you to insert money to play. That's a subtle but big difference in terms of hardware.

We don't care if the internals of the machine use solid state logic, cartridges, or runs Windows CE. If it's presented to the player as an arcade machine and you have to put in your quarters to play we count it as an Arcade machine. The gigantic difference in hardware between different arcade machines is the reason it took more than 10 years for MobyGames to start documenting it, but then we diced to just cast the widest net possible. Much like for the Browser, Mainframe and Terminal platforms.

(Edited by vedder (46467), Aug 23, 2019)

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MAT (200529) on Aug 26, 2019


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What? I remember back in 1990s when Arcades were popular I never inserted my money in the machine. I paid for a coin (not money) that was used for arcade machines. So, technically, I didn't insert my money when I played games like Pang or Toki or whatever. And that wouldn't make them arcades, then? This is silly. Arcade platform should contain all arcade machines, no matter how you play the game, by inserting coins or holding your thumb in the slot all the time while playing.

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Pseudo_Intellectual (61532) on Aug 26, 2019


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(the term for "non currency coin needed to play an arcade game" is "token")

(or "slug" for an unauthorized lower-value pseudocoin 8)

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MAT (200529) on Aug 27, 2019


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Right, "token", thanks. I would never have remembered that :)

So basically, it's just something that activated the game. No different than having a code wheel or manual and enter the right answer to the question to start the game on a PC (DOS), lol. So I guess our rule for arcades isn't that the money needs to be inserted to play. Home arcades (if there are any that aren't emulated) could be added under that platform just as well. Speaking of which, are there any coin/token operated arcades that actually run emulated game from a console or a computer?

(Edited by MAT (200529), Aug 27, 2019)

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Foxhack (28052) on Aug 27, 2019


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MAT Wrote:
Speaking of which, are there any coin/token operated arcades that actually run emulated game from a console or a computer?

Yes, there are hacked up arcade systems that are basically consoles with roms and ISOs inside and that work on a timer. You can buy kits to do this in certain Chinese stores. There are also hacked up arcade systems that run modified versions of arcade games that run on PC... also available from these same stores.

And of course there's arcade systems with badly working Android games on 'em. Mostly kiddie stuff.

Remind me to take some photos of the ones at my local movie theaters the next time I go see a movie.

(Edited by Foxhack (28052), Aug 27, 2019)

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S Olafsson (39322) on Sep 09, 2019


https://www.mobygames.com/game/pac-mans-arcade-party

Definitely not original HW. Even has a non-coin operated version. Of course these should be allowed, but this discussion could be construed as if it should not.

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Foxhack (28052) on Sep 09, 2019


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S Olafsson Wrote:
https://www.mobygames.com/game/pac-mans-arcade-party

Definitely not original HW. Even has a non-coin operated version. Of course these should be allowed, but this discussion could be construed as if it should not.

... the non coin operated version should be split because of the additional game...

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S Olafsson (39322) on Sep 10, 2019


And thus by some logic not be allowed. (Dedicated Console?)

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Foxhack (28052) on Sep 11, 2019


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S Olafsson Wrote:
And thus by some logic not be allowed. (Dedicated Console?)

You're mistaken, it would count as a dedicated console.

I remember that back when I worked at Toys'R'Us in the mid 2000s, there were a bunch of tabletop or half-sized arcade systems with Neo games that you could buy. Unfortunately I haven't found much info about them online...

(Edited by Foxhack (28052), Sep 11, 2019)

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Pseudo_Intellectual (61532) on Aug 23, 2019


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If a LaserDisc player cannot be an arcade machine, then Dragon's Lair cannot be an arcade game.

Some missing Sega and Sammy arcade games

Flapco (19663) on Aug 23, 2019


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Its unlikely I am gone add these but maybe I can interest someone else to add them.

- Wing War

- Brave Firefighters

- Trophy Hunting

- Soul Surfer

- Sports Shooting USA

At least these 5 are missing but probably more.

Check also the site below that even lets you download the official flyers. (I used it to add a flyer to several entries I created years ago like Planet Harriers)

https://web.archive.org/web/20110323015012/http://www.segaarcade.com/archive/

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hoeksmas (19588) on Aug 24, 2019


Dang, and I thought we'd do Apple II games next. :P

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piltdown_man (167589) on Aug 28, 2019


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Thanks to all who commented and apologies for not being around and taking part, some domestic stuff has kept me busy and I've actually been playing a game!

For the avoidance of doubt this is one of the games I was planning to submit and, from the comments it seems as though it qualifies as an arcade game so this IGT Slots: Lil' Lady will be submitted shortly. I should have posted this with my original question but, well, it seemed so simple I didn't think it was necessary

Never realised we didn't document games that pay out actual money. That's all the on-line slots and bingo games ruled out - I guess I should stop playing those now

(Edited by piltdown_man (167589), Aug 28, 2019)

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Pseudo_Intellectual (61532) on Aug 28, 2019


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you can play them, just don't expect to document them here anytime soon. (start a free blog at blogger and document them in kind there until such a time as we do support them.)

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piltdown_man (167589) on Aug 28, 2019


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Now that's a brilliant idea!

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Pseudo_Intellectual (61532) on Aug 29, 2019


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that's what I did with ad scans; scanned all the ads out of my comics, transcribed them, and then gave the comics away. (and then, only years later, learned that Mobygames would require the never-documented comic issue, date and page number to accept the scans!)

http://videogamecomicads.blogspot.com/2012/03/hello-world.html

(Edited by Pseudo_Intellectual (61532), Aug 29, 2019)

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piltdown_man (167589) on Sep 16, 2019


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Another 'What is an arcade game?' type question.

I've submitted a VR game recently. I got it from Steam but when looking for details I found it was available elsewhere. One of those places was here , an on-line company that licenses games for VR Arcades, their web page states they can help "Whether you’re thinking about starting a VR arcade, or running a large location-based VR center...".

Several games I've looked at, like Arizona Sunshine and Beat Sabre, are already on the database as Occulus Rift games, others such as Job Simulator 2050 are present but not on that platform. None are listed as arcade games.

Does their being marketed as games for VR Arcades make them arcade games in terms of the goal that has been set? They seem to fit the bill because they are rented by this company to VR Arcades who then charge punters to play them. It's not coin-in-a-slot stuff but it is still pay to play.

Update: Thanks for the replies. These are NOT Arcade games then.

(Edited by piltdown_man (167589), Sep 17, 2019)

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Plokite_Wolf (22836) on Sep 16, 2019


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I'd say so. I added a similar game under the Arcade platform yesterday. Curiously, it currently uses Steam only as a distribution method, but a proper PC version is coming up.

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vedder (46467) on Sep 16, 2019


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Those "VR arcades" are just someone setting up a PC and running Steam on it. There's no special hardware involved. It's no different from an Internet Café that allows you to play games.

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Plokite_Wolf (22836) on Sep 16, 2019


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Speaking from experience?

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vedder (46467) on Sep 17, 2019


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Yes. I've been working in the VR industry for the last 4 years and I haven't seen or heard anything that would count as an arcade platform. Usually it's just a Vive hooked to Steam either on a PC or a laptop in backpack, sometimes a Rift. You pay when entering the building, you don't put quarters in a device.

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Plokite_Wolf (22836) on Sep 17, 2019


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Okeydokes, changed my submission accordingly.

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firefang9212 (59933) on Sep 16, 2019


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I asked about this awhile back when I was creating the entry for The Wizards as I had encountered releases for both Springboard and smartVR. I was told at the time to submit them under the Windows platform.