Forums > Game Forums > Renaissance Heroes: Starter Bundle > consumable items only? DLC debate
Patrick Bregger (301035) on 7/15/2013 8:35 PM · Permalink · Report
I agree. We can't cover micro transactions. I'd say that the concept of calling something "DLC" for free-to-play games is ridiculous by definition.
Indra was here (20755) on 7/15/2013 10:13 PM · Permalink · Report
schemes mischievously
Told you, we'd open the floodgates, but does anyone listen to me? Noooo.....
In other news, I have for the first time in history managed to surpass Sciere in game contributions. I'm so happy I could masturbate. There, I said it. :p
Indra was here (20755) on 7/15/2013 10:26 PM · Permalink · Report
Though in all seriousness, our agreed upon policy somewhere down the road is that we cover game releases, not just games per se. Which makes it a bit confusing when under the subjective microscope of: is that a game?
Until we started accepting speech packs and other minor game-related material, so all's fair in game junk add-on contribution department, I suppose.
Only thing we need to start figuring out, is what types of releases should we start to deem as unworthy? Fan-based Mods? I would agree for most cases, but could argue against total overhauls, which would an exciting addition for this database. Remember that Ultima VII: Pagan mod debate we had for Dungeon Siege and its developers? I've felt a bit weird ever since, but policy is policy.
The floodgates are open. Now decide where we want the river to flow.
Indra was here (20755) on 7/15/2013 10:28 PM · Permalink · Report
...and also, in all fairness. I do hate that meine DLC contributions are equated by the system as equal as game contributions. That's not fair and I feel like cheating. It's eating at my soul, if I had one. :p
Sciere (930490) on 7/15/2013 10:51 PM · edited · Permalink · Report
In the late nineties it was never considered here to have patches as "expansions" with game entries, even though some of them had extensive additional content. It all changed when updates turned into commercial add-ons; that no matter how the small the additions are, you are to pay for it. It's because MobyGames is organized around ownership, remember the "what you can buy" mantra that defines a game entry. Having separate game entries make sense for a lot of DLC (credits, screenshots, release date) so it can't just be dismissed, it's a part of documenting the game, and that's why it's now practice for a costume pack to have a game entry and free modifications people have worked on for years are not allowed. If two types of DLC adhere to the same sense of ownership, you can't distinguish between what's worth a game entry and what is not, that's entirely subjective. Maybe you put on a horse's costume or play a new multiplayer mode for 2 minutes, but play a game's new song for weeks. But you paid for both of them. A lot would be solved if DLC could be organized as a sub-game entry, tied to a specific game with full documentation, but not listed alongside with equal independent status. Since that would require a programming intervention, not going to happen.
Fred VT (25953) on 7/15/2013 11:27 PM · Permalink · Report
[Q --start Sciere wrote--]A lot would be solved if DLC could be organized as a sub-game entry, tied to a specific game with full documentation, but not listed alongside with equal independent status. Since that would require a programming intervention, not going to happen. [/Q --end Sciere wrote--]
Yeah, well at least we document them now, so the data is there if that update ever happens. But what about individual songs for RockBand and the likes? Should I start adding them? ;P
Indra was here (20755) on 7/16/2013 12:16 AM · Permalink · Report
Well, if you're a points whore, go ahead and add them. I've already started and us whores have to stick together.
I need to go to a shrink and deal with this sexual frustration I have going on lately. :p
Fred VT (25953) on 7/16/2013 12:39 AM · Permalink · Report
Not so much a point whore, put a completion addict. Which means that if I get a list, I have to use everything I can from that list, and I won't rest as long as there's something I can add to the database and know where to find the info.
...Maybe a bit point-whorish too XD
Indra was here (20755) on 7/16/2013 6:38 AM · edited · Permalink · Report
Well, I second the reasoning of completion for completion's sake. Since most of our concerns in handling these issues will eventually mean some sort of programming overhaul, the most feasible option for now is, paraphrasing from the fundies, "add 'em first, let god sort 'em out later."
Indra was here (20755) on 7/16/2013 12:13 AM · edited · Permalink · Report
You should be more worried about the other habits I have going on. :p Don't ask. What has been read, cannot be unread.
Rola (8483) on 7/16/2013 5:19 AM · edited · Permalink · Report
Regarding the "one song DLC":
I also consider them as "extra level", so they do count as add-ons.
However, the point is that they're a bit... supernumerary? It's just too much and should be avoided.
Just as we didn't add every single extra downloadable level, even if it was officially released by developers, as new entry (see the cases of extra maps for, say, Ground Control). As mentioned above, some patches/updates add so much content that by analogy they should get own descriptions...
Now, coming back to this new type of DLC: I say we make it a rule that anything that's not permanently available to the user account (added/unlocked content) shouldn't qualify for new entry here. No consumables, no matter if it's just a "bag of gems" (which you spend to buy stuff) or "a superior starfighter" (that once lost must be bought again, in real-life). No temporary boosters.
Pseudo_Intellectual (66362) on 7/16/2013 6:25 AM · Permalink · Report
The rule of thumb would be "please don't waste our time", except that of course I have made numerous submissions that violate that rule 8)
Indra was here (20755) on 7/16/2013 6:35 AM · Permalink · Report
Well, you're one of the few contributors bored enough to still add interactive fiction games in the 21st century. :p
Besides, it doesn't get much worse than adding those five minutes flash games. Game? Yes. Add it to the database? Er. No, we have taste (subjective).
Pseudo_Intellectual (66362) on 7/16/2013 3:27 PM · Permalink · Report
Hey, many of the IF games represent significant milestones. (Then there is the 99% of new IF releases I skip over.) Where I'd draw the line is probably releases that don't even excite their authors, and eg. it's hard to imagine anyone getting fired up over designing a single-use DLC.
Fred VT (25953) on 7/16/2013 4:21 PM · Permalink · Report
What about those free to play/buy if you like games like those from this site? http://www.dlsite.com/eng/fsr/=/language/en/sex_category%5B0%5D/male/sex_category%5B1%5D/female/ana_flg/off/age_category%5B0%5D/general/order%5B0%5D/release_d/work_type_category%5B0%5D/game/work_type_category_name%5B0%5D/Game/genre_and_or/or/options_and_or/or/per_page/30/show_type/n/from/fs.detail
Would they be worthy additions to the database? I bet some people would happily try and add all the adult games there :P
leilei (343) on 7/16/2013 6:07 AM · Permalink · Report
It'd be terrible if Indra just added things like one 30 Attack Items to the database.
Indra was here (20755) on 7/16/2013 6:32 AM · Permalink · Report
I would if it were on Steam and if I knew what an iPhone is. :p